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June 09, 2009

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Clyde

I was lamenting this same fact on a thread the other day. I started reading forums on IBC about eight years ago or so. I remember thinking how cool it was that the folks that wrote all the books I checked out from the library would personally respond to questions. It really blew me away and many of those people you don't even hear about anymore.

This is very sad for me as I am just now starting to grow in my bonsai journey (long journey, long story). I will be soon joining my first club and can't wait to have more time to devote to doing this the right way.

What coincides with that is that loss of the upper echelon of the art no longer associating with the less experienced folk.

I can just hope I have not caused much of this by my oft strong and sometimes careless words.

aaron

Over 3,000 posts and he wasn't used to people making inane comments on a forum? Something is missing there, and I'd have to think we don't have the whole story. A forum is for discussion. Two way communication. A blog can be one-way communication if you chose, and a gallery can be the same, but a forum is two-way.

Chris Johnston

Brent, I feel your pain. Never having been able to shake off an attack, I've done my share of fighting back. Something does have to be done, and it is a real tragedy to lose so many of the pioneers.

Chris

Dave Saum

I read the post that started all this and I just can't see what the fuss is all about. You should read it too.

Will/Grouper52

Brent, thanks for your kind and supportive words. I don't know if my skin is too thin - or whether that's perhaps even more of a virtue than a failing :) - nor do I know whether perhaps it's just burn out, as I realize the finite time I have left in this life. Anyway, I hope not to return to BS, and perhaps avoid the whole internet bonsai scene altogether. Bonsai is not a calling nor a profession for me, but a hobby, and it was a much more enjoyable one before I got into the internet aspect of things.

Dave, I imagine it is true that you can't see what all the fuss is about. I think it would take 3266 posts over the course of 3 1/2 years, many quite long and detailed, and very many of those posts also featuring high quality photos of my trees that required significant time and painstaking effort to produce - I think it would take THAT on your part to understand what all the fuss has been about. The fuss has been going on for a long time, and there are many parts to it, and unless you've been at least following it all, and preferably living it all, you'd REALLY have no idea. Not your fault, but if you think you want to step into the role I'm vacating it is certainly available - enjoy it if you can!

Will

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Brent, well said article. I think you summed up the current state of affairs rather well. I am on bonsai forums for the pure passion of bonsai. I sometimes have questions which people have been more than helpful to answer in the past. I sometimes answer people's questions for topics that I know and have experience with. I am not one to regurgitate what I have read. I will only answer something that I have had personal experience with. I have never been involved in the other aspects of the forums (i.e. politics, shit slinging "sorry no other way to describe", ego trips, etc.) and tend to stay out of such affairs. Unfortunately, like seeing a car wreck, I read such topics from time to time, but rarely comment. It is unfortunate that such issues occur because these forums have taught me more than any book ever has. Ok, well books teach you fundamentals, but actual people's experiences are far more out reaching than what books can teach. It is a shame to see people leaving these forums as a result.

Will, I have read several of your posts and sometimes think that you like to ruffle peoples feathers. I don't know why you like to do so but I am calling it like I see it. I don't agree with allot of what you say when it comes to the "politic" posts, but when it comes to bonsai, you have allot to offer. It would be a shame if you stop visiting such forums because you have allot of insight to offer.

Ok, I said my say. Hopefully one of these days we can go back to the topic in which these forums are meant for .... BONSAI.

FYI - Brent, I hope you are doing well with your cancer treatments. Thanks for sharing what you have gone through. I hope to never have to experience it, but at least I have an idea of what to expect thanks to you.

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Hi Brent, I'm a relative "newbie" to the bonsai forums, and to bonsai as an art form. I'm not a "newbie" to horticulture, or forums. In fact, the same mean spirited comments are rife on the internet forums, perhaps because some feel that manners and simple personal consideration is not part of web based communication. I quit posting and visiting a gardening/hort. forum that I was a long time member of and (hopefully) a valuable information source for, as a result of just such "interaction". I had been happily surprised at the tone of the bonsaisite forums, and even posted a small thank you to the general forum that it was refreshing to see a place without such rancor. Apparently it does exist. I'm sad that I will never benefit from G52's ongoing knowledge. I have learned much from the forum in a short period of time, and had hoped to continue to use this as one of my main resources, as I live far away from any clubs, and books only have ONE point of view. But on the forum, it is diverse and that is a GOOD thing. Thanks to all who do hang out and assist those of us for whom bonsai is a new and sometimes confusing hobby. I for one appreciate it greatly.

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